{"id":7858,"date":"2017-02-01T17:14:02","date_gmt":"2017-02-01T23:14:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/huewhite.com\/umb\/?p=7858"},"modified":"2017-02-01T17:18:26","modified_gmt":"2017-02-01T23:18:26","slug":"7858","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/huewhite.com\/umb\/2017\/02\/01\/7858\/","title":{"rendered":"Dealing With Peak Power Needs"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Lloyd Alter on <i><b>Treehugger.com <\/b><\/i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.treehugger.com\/energy-policy\/tesla-kills-duck-big-batteries.html\" target=\"_blank\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/www.treehugger.com\/energy-policy\/tesla-kills-duck-big-batteries.html&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1486077162919000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFaiPQzhvXEI6rBPShg02M_j3-GWA\">reports <\/a>on the delivery of a battery farm designed to handle peak power requirements currently managed using natural gas peaker plants. The source? <i><b>Tesla<\/b><\/i>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"gmail_quote\"><p>One of those alternatives that people dreamed about just a few years ago was giant batteries, and Elon Musk promised that he would make them in his new Nevada factory. What is really astonishing is that in just three months, Tesla has delivered a giant battery farm with 396 stacks of batteries that can provide enough electricity to power 15,000 houses for four hours,&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Natural gas peaker plants are expensive and controversial; you want them near the user, but the NIMBYs come out in force. Battery packs are much simpler, they are modular and they are scalable.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not everyone is sure this will work out. Lloyd references skeptic Jamie Condliffe of <i><b>MIT Technology Review<\/b><\/i>, who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/s\/603531\/tesla-just-added-a-huge-stack-of-batteries-to-the-california-power-grid\/\" target=\"_blank\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=https:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/s\/603531\/tesla-just-added-a-huge-stack-of-batteries-to-the-california-power-grid\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1486077162919000&amp;usg=AFQjCNH4V1w8PvuAq2MAe-B8F9FWX1_C1w\">opines<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"gmail_quote\"><p>But there are some problems. First, lithium batteries remain expensive. It\u2019s not clear how much this installation cost, but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2016-09-15\/tesla-wins-utility-contract-to-supply-grid-scale-battery-storage-after-porter-ranch-gas-leak\" target=\"_blank\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=https:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/articles\/2016-09-15\/tesla-wins-utility-contract-to-supply-grid-scale-battery-storage-after-porter-ranch-gas-leak&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1486077162919000&amp;usg=AFQjCNF8QyUjyi2BnnDPMUGljF02jlyTgA\"><em>Bloomberg<\/em> last year noted<\/a> that Tesla will sell anyone a system a tenth the size of California\u2019s for $2.9 million. Still, as electric cars hit the mainstream, large lithium batteries are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/s\/602321\/how-other-battery-manufacturers-could-help-tesla-reach-its-own-goals\/\" target=\"_blank\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=https:\/\/www.technologyreview.com\/s\/602321\/how-other-battery-manufacturers-could-help-tesla-reach-its-own-goals\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1486077162919000&amp;usg=AFQjCNExJ2kR5nDUkldUUDZvQw50h_TfQw\">expected to fall dramatically in price<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>A bigger concern is with the hardware itself. Tesla doesn\u2019t say how many cycles that the batteries in its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tesla.com\/en_GB\/powerpack?redirect=no\" target=\"_blank\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=https:\/\/www.tesla.com\/en_GB\/powerpack?redirect%3Dno&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1486077162919000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFE_AzePgkVCnQjHtr5Uel6dzzWLw\">Powerpack systems<\/a>, which make up the installation, can tolerate before they degrade and reach the end of their useful life. But like other lithium-ion batteries, it\u2019s likely in the thousands\u2014probably around 5,000, the same as its Powerwall units. That\u2019s not bad in a domestic setting, but\u00a0could be quickly devoured in a grid setting.<\/p>\n<p>Problem is, we\u2019re not overrun with alternatives. The quest to build a great grid battery doesn\u2019t sound too tough: it simply has to be cheap, made using common materials, and resilient to repeated charge-discharge cycles. The batteries don\u2019t have to be portable, so factors such as size and weight aren&#8217;t\u00a0a design constraint.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Given recent incidents of little smartphone batteries blowing up, I wonder how <em><strong>Tesla<\/strong><\/em> has safeguarded this &#8220;battery farm&#8221;. Space separation? Physical barriers? It&#8217;d be terrible if a single defective battery destroyed the rest of the farm long before they physically just wore out. And do they have a plan for recycling once they&#8217;re worn out?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lloyd Alter on Treehugger.com reports on the delivery of a battery farm designed to handle peak power requirements currently managed using natural gas peaker plants. The source? 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